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Post by Tosh on Apr 18, 2004 10:16:14 GMT -5
Here's a train of thought I'm currently mulling over.
Question. Can you differentiate between killing a human and killing an animal, for example, a cow. would you say it's less acceptable to kill a human?
If said no then you pretty much get my point here so I won't expand on that part, but if you said yes, then here's the same question. Can you differentiate between killing a cow and killing an plant, for example a pulling a potato out of the ground. would you say it's less acceptable to kill a cow?
Now if you said yes again, you are making a statement which suggests you realise it causes a higher degree of pain and suffering to a living creature, but if you eat meat, then you have to be condoning this by an acceptance that it is necessary to provide your choice of meat be it chicken or beef etc.
If you want to live your life causing the least amount of suffering and pain to others then a. you don't kill yer fellow humans but there also has to be a realisation that there is really a b. (as well) Don't kill other living sentient beings who can feel pain just like us.
I think if you only eat what is grown on the land you can honestly say you're reducing in the maximum way that one individual person can, any suffering to others.
don't know if that will make sense to anyone, cos as I said it was a train of thought which I hopped aboard for a minute. anyone?
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Post by coco on Apr 30, 2004 16:26:21 GMT -5
dif one this. i would have to say yes years of evolution have taken us from chrono magno man or neanderthal or what ever , on the food chain prey or preditor millenia of evolution has put us at the top(so to speak) so we no longer have to hunt we rear our food, we are omnivores no longer having to consume these who would consume use, i used to enjoy steak but no longer eat reed meet stricktly eggs fish pasta cheese and bread, the occasionaly bit of chicken (if its free range)(same as the eggs) question dose a farmer bond with his stock yes plants are living beings but can reproduce quicker than any mamal or creature having been landscape gardener(working for a true hippy)he would only plant sustanable plants sustainable forest for wood i support
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Post by Beelzebozo on Apr 30, 2004 17:07:49 GMT -5
Yes it is less acceptable to kill a living being, rather than an organism. The nauture of biological chemistry and gentic make-up dictates that an animal has many more nerves than a plant, therefore the pain it experiences is real. A plant, yes it has atoms, cells etc that are alive and well, but in a much more basic form that constructs what is a more simple object than a living, breathing animal. From a society point of view it is different to kill an animal than a human, but in realityterms of someone who values life - to kill is criminal, unless real necessity for survival is it not? Or to hunt and kill, prepare your own food. None of this buying at Tesco's Deli counter pish. I reckon most people in here, if faced with prospect of dying or killing your fellow shipwrecked friend, would look at the prospect of doing them in to survive...I reckon I would.
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Post by Tosh on May 2, 2004 10:21:00 GMT -5
Found this quote today and thought it kinda fitted into this thread?
"It is grievous to see or hear, and almost to hear of, any man, or even any animal whatever, in torture. For example, when a man turns aside to avoid crushing an insect, why does he do so? Certainly not because of any reasoned conviction as to the sufferings of the 'poor beetle that we tread upon', but for the simple fact that, consciously or unconsciously, he is humane; the sight of suffering, however slight, is distasteful to him as being human. Of all mistaken notions concerning humanitarianism, the most mistaken is that which regards it as some extraneous artificial cult, forced on human nature from without; whereas in truth it is founded on an instinctive conviction from within, a very part of human development. When we talk of a man 'becoming a humanitarian', what we really mean is that he has recognized a fact that was already within his consciousness - the kinship of all sentient life - of which humanitarianism is the avowed and definite proclamation." - Henry Stephens Salt
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Post by Beelzebozo on May 2, 2004 18:25:52 GMT -5
okay, am guilty....will kill a spider or wasp rather than let it go. Only out of fear mind....so my ethics have limits...Doh!
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Post by Emma on May 2, 2004 19:04:27 GMT -5
I'm with you there...even weaker though cos I make Dave kill any beastie that infiltrates my palace. I despise animal cruelty in any way shape or form though. Here is a picture of my dog Scooby and Maria's kitten Skiba to cheer you all up.
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Post by Dave on May 2, 2004 19:15:25 GMT -5
I Only tell her I kill them, secrectly I let them all go free in the wilds outside our kitchen window!! Dogs rock! Cats are fucking evil (except Skiba obv) bloody things make my ugly big mush swell up to a hundred times it's normal size and stop me breathing - satan's little helpers I tell ya!
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Maria
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Post by Maria on May 3, 2004 5:30:20 GMT -5
Dave, you're cat allergies will indeed kick in if you keep insisting on putting ma cat on your head when you're pissed!!
Dave the original Cat Whisperer ;D
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Post by Emma on May 3, 2004 7:56:34 GMT -5
You should have seen his coupon half an hour later, twice the normal size and extremely red and blotchy! Poor wee Dave
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