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Post by Tosh on Feb 14, 2009 18:59:05 GMT -5
Punk rock isn’t any more alive and thriving today than psychedelic rock or new wave. As far as the broader culture is concerned, it’s been dead for awhile and it ain’t coming back.
Punk arose out of a very specific time and a very specific attitude. The self-satisfied winners of World War II let their culture run amok for a generation; thirty years after the War, the indulgence had gotten so out of hand that those on the bottom refused to stand by and let the popular garbage on top define them as people.
So they started wearing chains as accessories with purple hair and multiple piercings, studded leather jackets and combat boots. Musicians cranked up their amps, took amphetamines, and banged out fast songs about sniffing glue and destroying the system that put them in their position. Those attending shows invented slam-dancing and gave the finger to or spit at the band and each other. Thus, punk was born, and for a long time it was the only honest cultural force going.
A lot of sand has gone through the hourglass since then, though. Look no further than the coming thirtieth anniversary “special,” and entirely soulless, re-release of Anarchy in the U.K.. Or acknowledge that three-fourths of the original Ramones are dead.
Like hippies and beatniks, punks are cultural artifacts these days, foot soldiers from a bye-gone era, wearing a dog-collar and fighting that good fight even though many of their generals died of heroin overdoses long ago. People with tattoos and pierced noses still play music influenced by punk. But it’s not punk: it’s pop-punk, or dance-punk, or the dreaded emo.
The movement needn’t die, however: it’s just that the second coming of Punk will sound absolutely nothing like the first.
And nothing would be more punk than that.
JP Gorman
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Post by Beelzebozo on Feb 15, 2009 11:08:07 GMT -5
ok... i shall respond hehe
punk, in its very name, is a label. we are all labels of one nature or another (mods, rockers, moshers, ravers, christians etc). was it not something that was born to fight the mainstream, to suggest individuality and originality? maybe's aye, maybe's naw, but it has become a parody of itself.
personally, i have never been into the whole "punk" scene. I listen to a genre of music that is identified as punk, but then i also listen to other genres (am I not to be called a mosher because i listen to thrash yet have no hair to swing?)
original punk as initiated in the 70's was as much a fashion statement as hippies, disco-steve's et al. I'd stick my neck out to say nowadays its not about a feeling, or a belief, rather simply a fashion statement.
If ya wanna label yourself, dono such thing as call yourself punk, metalhead, emo or anything else. call yourself an individual and do what you wanna do, wear what you wanna wear, think what ya wanna think (as long as you can justify it to yourself) and label yourself as "You"
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Post by Tosh on Feb 15, 2009 11:20:33 GMT -5
Managed to smoke one person out for a comment - woo hoo. Well done the bubba for sharing a real human thought - fuckin respect!!
Me personally - I couldn't give a flying fuck what's punk and what's not anymore. too many people with their head up their ass, too many more who can't even find their ass.
Every thoughts been thought before, every action be it positive or negative has been taken before and trying to make a difference in life is like a broken pencil......
pointless.
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Post by Beelzebozo on Feb 15, 2009 16:38:35 GMT -5
its pointless if ya try to change the world coz there r too many people out there who have their own view . I rather take the notion that you can make a difference to life, the world and the universe.....
..... as long as its your own little life, world or universe.
I don't champion anti-capitalism, communism, gay rights, animal rights etc etc. What I do is hold dear personal thoughts and beliefs that make me a happy person (as satisfied and as happy as I can be) and hope that some of that rubs off on those aorund me, thus creating a postive chain of something. Its only a proverbial dribble from a baby's chin as opposed to niagara falls. But! if it makes me wanna continue to be me, then I shall follow this meandering path of individualism (there... a new monicker to champion arf)
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Post by Tosh on Feb 15, 2009 17:56:05 GMT -5
Indeed
“What is happiness except the simple harmony between a man and the life he leads?”
Alert Camus
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Post by Beelzebozo on Feb 16, 2009 11:04:55 GMT -5
actually i really like that quote. simple effective yet so so true
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Post by Dave on Feb 17, 2009 13:00:33 GMT -5
Consider me smoked out too.... Punk might not b dead yet, but it's lying in coma after being savagely beaten, it needs a shower real 'kin badly and frankly, someone really should put it out of its misery...... As Bubba rightly says, it's all down to individuality, to being true to yrself, yr beliefs, yr ideals, yr dreams, yr fears, yr Demons, yr motivation, yr spirit and yrself. "Punk" the ideology, and Punk the music are very different things tho. To me the ideology is alive and kicking against the pricks just as passionately as it ever was, it's just that as Tosh's original post suggests, it doesn't sound anything like what the masses would consider punk. By it's nature it always appealed to kids, the pissed off, pissed on youth, eager to express and expel their anger and energy but equally, anything so youth orientated will always become a fad, a fashion, something to identify with and to dress like, to listen to the same bands, to effectively go against everything "punk" should stand for. The true punks over the decades have never bowed to the fashions - look at SLF, The Clash, The Replacements et al..... scarcely a bottle of hair die or a safety pin between them. They're punk, because of what they say, do, think and act, because they reject what they're "supposed" to do and just do what they love..... Yr right Bubba, labelling yrself as anything other than "you" is just stupid! I've known so many people over the years who call define themselves as "punks", "metalheads", "Indie kids" etc who simply won't even entertain the idea of listening to anything other than that genre of music - that's just crazy to me! Denying yrself, literally, millions of incredible records, millions of new experiences, millions of new ideas............all because it doesn't fit in with what you want people to perceive you as! Errrr, this has turned into a freakin ramble - sorry folks lol ;D My point was (I think), Punk music is a stagnant, dull genre, devoid of originality and new ideas. "Punk" the spirit of dissent, of protest, of battering out something new necause it's what you feel and not what's "cool" is very much alive. From Monument To Masses have released the most "Punk" album I've heard in a long time and it's about as far removed from Discharge as yr ever likely to hear lol Hope that mangled mush of thoughts makes at least some sense
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Post by Chunderman on Feb 17, 2009 14:55:26 GMT -5
ok... i shall respond heh If ya wanna label yourself, dono such thing as call yourself punk, metalhead, emo or anything else. call yourself an individual and do what you wanna do, wear what you wanna wear, think what ya wanna think (as long as you can justify it to yourself) and label yourself as "You" You tellin us what to do original punk as initiated in the 70's was as much a fashion statement as hippies, disco-steve's et al. I'd stick my neck out to say nowadays its not about a feeling, or a belief, rather simply a fashion statement."You" spot on.
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Post by Freddie Boswell on Apr 22, 2009 7:24:23 GMT -5
I know what happened to punk. It committed suicide after hearing your crap patter.
And for the record punk is a genre of music that can no more die than the memory of the great soap I was in, Bread, as like punk music it will forever live on in the form of VHS, or in punk music's case, tapes and cd's.
I now consider this topic closed, please keep the crap patter to a minimum.
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Post by Informed on Apr 22, 2009 7:43:16 GMT -5
Every thoughts been thought before, every action be it positive or negative has been taken before and trying to make a difference in life is like a broken pencil...... pointless. Talking about your last album there lads?
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Post by Informed on Apr 22, 2009 8:38:17 GMT -5
As Bubba rightly says, it's all down to individuality, to being true to yrself, yr beliefs, yr ideals, yr dreams, yr fears, yr Demons, yr motivation, yr spirit and yrself. Yr needing to get yr keyboard checked out pal!
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Post by Tosh on Apr 23, 2009 2:02:20 GMT -5
Every thoughts been thought before, every action be it positive or negative has been taken before and trying to make a difference in life is like a broken pencil...... pointless. Talking about your last album there lads? Nah, talkin about the next one!!
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Post by Tosh on Apr 23, 2009 2:05:14 GMT -5
I now consider this topic closed, please keep the crap patter to a minimum. I'll decide when this topic is closed ya cheeky wee scamp, altho judging by the keyboard reference yr more likely to be be an old wrinkly with a grudge and a long memory.
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Post by Beelzebozo on Apr 24, 2009 10:23:34 GMT -5
ou ou ou ou ou... testing 1..2..3...
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